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Post by becblue on Sept 20, 2019 13:56:02 GMT 1
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Post by gazza56 on Sept 20, 2019 14:23:05 GMT 1
I think it goes without saying that we are all behind the club still....It's a hiccup in the life of Gray's athletic we have had worse ,now let's get back to winning the league and having a good trophy run
GOYB
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Post by stiffordblue on Sept 20, 2019 15:37:08 GMT 1
LETS PUT ALL OUR EFFORTS INTO GETTING TO THE 1ST RD PROPER OF THE TROPHY NOW
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Post by muttley on Sept 20, 2019 15:42:29 GMT 1
"TOGETHER WE STAND, TOGETHER WE STAY STRONG"
As Gazza says we have suffered worse and got through
League and Trophy …… lets have it
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Post by Scoop on Sept 20, 2019 16:25:49 GMT 1
Begs the question if Hession - Sack gave false information to three clubs is he going to be hit with a hefty fine and lengthy ban? Answers on a post card please!!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 16:33:07 GMT 1
A blow no doubt,but not the end of the world.
As long as the lesson is learned,thats all that matters now.
It could be worse.
We won the Derby two days ago,we've got a good side,good management and we're going places.....
although not to Kingstonian on Sunday.
It looked a tricky place to find anyway,had to make sure you got on that road next to the A3,without accidently getting on the A3.....yeah,might be for the best.
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Post by gazza56 on Sept 20, 2019 16:34:06 GMT 1
He played in the trophy for east Thurrock last season against Salisbury HOW COME THIS WASN'T PICKED UP BY THE FA?
For the record he came on as a sub
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Post by flintstone on Sept 20, 2019 16:39:09 GMT 1
I do think the two football how sigh the player should had check the player before he had played and I think the fa should got the to clubs for not doing the jobs right.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 16:57:32 GMT 1
He played in the trophy for east Thurrock last season against Salisbury HOW COME THIS WASN'T PICKED UP BY THE FA? Indeed he did. That changes things doesn't it ? I'm no legal beagle,but ''mitigating circumstances'' ? |
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Post by ForeverBlue on Sept 20, 2019 16:59:27 GMT 1
He played in the trophy for east Thurrock last season against Salisbury HOW COME THIS WASN'T PICKED UP BY THE FA? For the record he came on as a sub He played a number of games for East Thurrock and, guess what, prior to that he played against Grays in the first game of the 2018-19 season for Witham Town. He came on as a 73rd minute sub. Remember? We won 2-0 Barnwell and Hahn with the goals. So, he had been to America to play college football from 2015-2018 and he returned to England for the 2018-19 season. The FA had him "cleared out" (their words, not mine!) from UK to USA, but have NOW JUST "discovered" that he was not "cleared back" (their words not mine!) to the UK in 2018. We suffer expulsion from the Cup, Witham Town and East Thurrock suffer no penalty because it was last season and that's all finished. My point is this. If the FA have a system for "clearing players out" (what an awful expression - theirs not mine!) why is there no system at the FA for clearing them back (their expression not mine!) whereby Witham would have been advised that they required international clearance back to the UK before he could play. What a shambles our governing body has proved yet again to be. This is not what I came into football administration for. |
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Post by gazza56 on Sept 20, 2019 17:03:46 GMT 1
But the question must be he played in trophy which is nothing to do with the Isthmian league but all to do with the fa so if it was ok last season why not this season
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Post by oldblue on Sept 20, 2019 17:08:15 GMT 1
A blow no doubt,but not the end of the world. As long as the lesson is learned,thats all that matters now. It could be worse. We won the Derby two days ago,we've got a good side,good management and we're going places..... although not to Kingstonian on Sunday. It looked a tricky place to find anyway,had to make sure you got on that road next to the A3,without accidently getting on the A3.....yeah,might be for the best. Not a hard place to find SatNav takes you straight there. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 17:13:28 GMT 1
A blow no doubt,but not the end of the world. As long as the lesson is learned,thats all that matters now. It could be worse. We won the Derby two days ago,we've got a good side,good management and we're going places..... although not to Kingstonian on Sunday. It looked a tricky place to find anyway,had to make sure you got on that road next to the A3,without accidently getting on the A3.....yeah,might be for the best. Not a hard place to find SatNav takes you straight there. Your SatNav might take you straight there oldblue. Mine is temperamental. Its sent me in a circle before now. Not a small circle either,but a big one,so that I didn't realise until I was back where I started. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 17:23:34 GMT 1
But the question must be he played in trophy which is nothing to do with the Isthmian league but all to do with the fa so if it was ok last season why not this season Right,back to the point. Yes,that is the question,and I think its fair to say that the FA have some (perhaps a lot of) responsibility as to the error continuing. I don't know how the registration system works: As the third club in the line,what are we expected to do ? |
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Post by midlandblue on Sept 20, 2019 17:24:37 GMT 1
More reasons why I despise our FA , they say for the good of the game garbage but they need to take a look and sort there own house out before throwing stones/mud.
We have been through worse, our club has a heart beat & people who care and work wonders. fingers crossed we appeal and try to get this overturned.
lets not let it effect our great start that the lads and Coops and his team have made. A Blow yes! the End! hell no! we are Grays Athletic FC!
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Post by kris on Sept 20, 2019 17:29:34 GMT 1
But the question must be he played in trophy which is nothing to do with the Isthmian league but all to do with the fa so if it was ok last season why not this season Right,back to the point. Yes,that is the question,and I think its fair to say that the FA have some (perhaps a lot of) responsibility as to the error continuing. I don't know how the registration system works: As the third club in the line,what are we expected to do ? |
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Post by kris on Sept 20, 2019 17:34:44 GMT 1
I have to agree how far down the line does it have to go before the FA take responsibility if it was say three years and eight clubs later whose fault would it be then? Is there much difference in us being the third who had presumed the previous two clubs got it right. Punish the player and the first club who failed to do the proper check, in instances like this the player should imo get a hefty ban!
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Post by gazza56 on Sept 20, 2019 21:05:30 GMT 1
Just been on kingstonian website to get their view .They are saying that they are playing March town on the 25th and we have until Monday morning to appeal
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Post by graysgooner on Sept 20, 2019 22:52:43 GMT 1
I'm puzzled...
If he has played previously in an FA run competition, with no repercussions, then one would assume that he is cleared to play. I have no idea how the process works but I'm guessing clubs have to provide team details to the FA on match day, then it is the FAs responsibility at that point to check and verify that the players are legally entitled to play for the club(s).
So, the FA in this instance are culpable for Grays 'mistake'. For the sake of our club, and for all clubs under the FA banner, it is only right and proper that we must appeal this decision. Maybe a media campaign is in order, Talksport might be a good starting point....
Also, if the incident happened against Heybridge why are March getting the 'bye' into the next round? Surely the right thing to do would be for Heybridge to play March?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2019 13:48:28 GMT 1
Ok,just read Coops's remarks on Twitter (20 hours ago !)
So it seems to me that this is what has happened so far:
The FA charged Grays Ath
We have presented our defence,including mitigating circumstances
The FA have found us guilty
They had three options to choose from,with regards to punishment:
Option 1) A fine
Option 2) Replay the original tie
Option 3) Expel us
They chose to expel us (and effectively fine us as well,through loss of the prize money won so far)
Big Bad Frankie played for three clubs since his return to these shores:
Witham Town (11 Aug 18)
1x league game (defeat)
Punishment to date = none
East Thurrock Utd (27 Oct 18 - 1 Dec 18)
4x league games (1x draw,3x defeats)
1x FA Trophy game (defeat)
Punishment to date = none
Grays Ath (24 Aug 19)
1x FA Cup game
Punishment to date = expelled from competition and forfeit £9640 in prize money
I think any fair-minded person would see the injustice of this situation.
Surprising that the FA didn't,especially when you consider that if they had done their job correctly after the player played in another of their competitions on 24 Nov 18,none of this would have happened.
The FA seemingly feel no responsibility for their error.
Of course we have the option to appeal,but what realistically could we hope to achieve?
Option 1) Reinstate us and fine us
Option 2) Reinstate us and order a replay of the game v Heybridge Swifts
Option 2 is unlikely in my opinion,we would be two rounds behind everybody else,and while that's possible to be caught up,I cant see them doing that.
So Option 1,how much would they fine us ?,the £9640 prize money won so far,or just the £2890 for winning the game in question ?
And of course,how much would an appeal cost the club ?,and would we get that back ?
Without knowing the realistic potential fine,its a tough one for the club to call financially.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2019 14:16:57 GMT 1
If the Club decide to appeal, I m happy to donate the £15 I paid for my seat on the coach to any fighting fund that seeks any sort of justice from the FA blazers. I trust Steve and the Board to do what they think best, because they are honest people who have done wonders to keep this great Club going and deserve our unqualified support. Cos, WE ARE THE GRAYS!!
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Post by docker69 on Sept 21, 2019 14:25:55 GMT 1
remember thurrrock lost their place in the premier and tilbury lost points for exactly the same thing a few years ago poor old Tommy South nearly packed up football on the strenght of it #not right but consisent
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2019 14:52:42 GMT 1
remember thurrrock lost their place in the premier and tilbury lost points for exactly the same thing a few years..... I see what you're saying. Its not exactly the same,but its close enough. Reading about it here: www.yourthurrock.com/2013/05/15/thurrock-and-tilbury-in-the-dock-over-ineligible-player/its makes it clear an appeal is a waste of time. Big Bad Harris was ineligible apparently...that's it,that's all that matters to the FA. ''End of story,now go away'' would be their response I imagine. Interestingly in the Thurrock/Tilbury case,Harlow (his next club) ''found out about his suspension'' (whereas Thurrock and Tilbury hadn't) I wonder if Merstham (Big Bad Harris's next club) did the same. The obvious question would be ''How ?'' |
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Post by oldblue on Sept 22, 2019 8:09:51 GMT 1
Oh well its off to see Chelsea Women play West Ham women at Kingsmeadow not far from where we was supposed to be going.
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Post by Scoop on Sept 23, 2019 10:29:43 GMT 1
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Post by gazza56 on Sept 23, 2019 10:55:12 GMT 1
Although it hurts to say so but it's probably the right decision.I just hope that the chinless suits at FA realise that we don't all have full time staff to sort these things out .I really hope they take what happened on board to try and sort this problem out and also raise their hands up and say " yes" we missed it a year ago.
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Post by ForeverBlue on Sept 23, 2019 11:52:54 GMT 1
Although it hurts to say so but it's probably the right decision.I just hope that the chinless suits at FA realise that we don't all have full time staff to sort these things out .I really hope they take what happened on board to try and sort this problem out and also raise their hands up and say " yes" we missed it a year ago. I respect and understand what you say. I cannot and will never accept the punishment was correct. In mitigation, their system for ensuring that when a player is "cleared out" to play in another country, he should be "cleared back" before he is ALLOWED to sign for another club, does not work and is clearly not fit for purpose. If it was, Hession-Harris would would not have been allowed to play for Witham until international clearance had been given. They had the opportunity, if not the obligation, to consider and issue a different punishment. They chose not to. It's an utter disgrace. Glyn Jarvis, in my capacity as a supporter and life member of Grays Athletic FC. |
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Post by viv on Sept 23, 2019 12:23:44 GMT 1
Pardon my ignorance in these matters-will we get points deducted?
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Post by gazza56 on Sept 23, 2019 12:26:53 GMT 1
I know what you are saying Glyn but let's face it we have a very good case but the FA aren't going to change their mind,They just don't know how to say that they are in the wrong which means we would be wasting our money, also the fact they waited until a couple of days before the match left us very little time to get ready for a appeal .Yes it stinks but it's the way the FA works
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Post by gazza56 on Sept 23, 2019 12:28:14 GMT 1
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