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Post by GAFC OFFICIAL NEWS on Jul 8, 2019 13:56:42 GMT 1
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Post by dcjarvis on Jul 9, 2019 8:38:00 GMT 1
Perhaps this is not the place for 'dissent' against the league, however I find this a bit of an odd choice of sponsor (given they had a choice of course). Commercially, I can certainly understand BV's intentions. Across the leagues they are sponsoring there is a fairly large and highly engaged audience many of whom will already be involved in gambling to one extent or another. (I have a flutter on the Grand National, that's about it...) What I don't understand is wanting to get in bed with a gambling company when most supporters involved in non-league football see it as a more family-friendly, community-driven side of the game that you don't tend to see if you go watch Premiership/League football. Also, am I right in thinking that even at our level of the game people involved in clubs - officials and players - are banned from engaging in football gambling? (Googled it - yep that's the case - www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/policies/betting-rules) So in doing this with one hand football is saying it's OK to get in bed with a gambling company while the rules of the game say it's not (due to match fixing etc) Perhaps this tweet is right - has non-league sold its soul? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2019 8:51:30 GMT 1
i dont really understand the fuss its people making a big racket for the sake of it
i dont see how bv sponsoring a competition makes it any less of a family feel because theres a few boards put up and a couple of pages of ads in programes
people didnt kick off when bluesq sponsored the old conference of budweisser sponsoring the fa cup etc
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2019 9:12:26 GMT 1
I think - for some - the issue will be exposure to the younger (i.e. youth) players and supporters.
I agree with the comments re Blue Square but gambling then and gambling now are entirely different beasts.
I'm assuming the club will sell replica shirts with the BetVictor logo on the sleeve being an option. Should at least give Sim some extra work !
Would be interesting to know whether Bostik offered to renew, but I doubt that info will become public.
As with too many things these days, it's all about the money, I'm afraid.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2019 9:52:38 GMT 1
how is gambling any different now than it was 10 years ago? just as prominent then as it is now
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2019 9:57:23 GMT 1
how is gambling any different now than it was 10 years ago? just as prominent then as it is now It's different now because of the power of advertising and social networks. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2019 8:26:45 GMT 1
advertising and social networks were about back in the blue-sq days
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2019 11:38:58 GMT 1
advertising and social networks were about back in the blue-sq days They were indeed, but nowhere near as popular.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2019 12:42:54 GMT 1
whats your source for those stats
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2019 13:21:53 GMT 1
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Post by dcjarvis on Jul 11, 2019 7:57:27 GMT 1
I think for kids and teens the world is a massively different place than 2010 when Blue Sq signed up for the conference. Tbh I had a bit of an issue with that too. Remember the iPhone launched in 2007.
Now almost everything that us supporters read online about our clubs is likely to be one click away from betting on our club. And that will be ‘validated’ by the BV sponsorship. It’s so easy to sign up for a betting app and the incentives to get involved are tempting. Gambling addiction in football is well documented too.
Isthmian League sponsorship has been a bit checkered in the past (Rothmans anyone?) but has benefitted from 20 years with Ryman behind it.
Overall, I think it’s a shame the League couldn’t find a more wholesome offer.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2019 8:47:10 GMT 1
I think for kids and teens the world is a massively different place than 2010 when Blue Sq signed up for the conference. Tbh I had a bit of an issue with that too. Remember the iPhone launched in 2007. Now almost everything that us supporters read online about our clubs is likely to be one click away from betting on our club. And that will be ‘validated’ by the BV sponsorship. It’s so easy to sign up for a betting app and the incentives to get involved are tempting. Gambling addiction in football is well documented too. Isthmian League sponsorship has been a bit checkered in the past (Rothmans anyone?) but has benefitted from 20 years with Ryman behind it. Overall, I think it’s a shame the League couldn’t find a more wholesome offer. Well said young man. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2019 10:52:33 GMT 1
storm in a tea cup ive never once contemplated buying any bostick glue or a pencil from rymans
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Post by oldblue on Jul 15, 2019 7:56:30 GMT 1
What a load of rubbish you dont have to do anything you dont want to people are such whimps today.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2019 11:11:52 GMT 1
What a load of rubbish you dont have to do anything you dont want to people are such whimps today. Hi John. I agree with your sentiments to a degree.
The issue is that people are doing exactly what they want - and bugger the consequences. And I think the betting firms have a responsibility to do more than simply spout messages such as "When the fun stops, stop".
Out of interest, would you have an issue if GAFC were sponsored by a tobacco firm with their logo on the shirt sleeves?
I agree that it's a generational thing alas - you cannot teach moral fibre and character.
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Post by oldblue on Jul 15, 2019 12:26:04 GMT 1
What a load of rubbish you dont have to do anything you dont want to people are such whimps today. Hi John. I agree with your sentiments to a degree. The issue is that people are doing exactly what they want - and bugger the consequences. And I think the betting firms have a responsibility to do more than simply spout messages such as "When the fun stops, stop". Out of interest, would you have an issue if GAFC were sponsored by a tobacco firm with their logo on the shirt sleeves? I agree that it's a generational thing alas - you cannot teach moral fibre and character.
Hello Glyn hope your keeping well no i would not have a problem with Grays having a tobacco logo on their shirt as i said you dont have to smoke or do anything eles you dont want to its a personal choice i had a choice 25 years ago when i had two heart attacks i was told pack up smoking or die and i have never smoked since then and i was a very bad smoker for me i made the right choice and i would find it hard to not support the Mighty Blues what ever they did. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2019 12:35:45 GMT 1
Hello Glyn hope your keeping well no i would not have a problem with Grays having a tobacco logo on their shirt as i said you dont have to smoke or do anything eles you dont want to its a personal choice i had a choice 25 years ago when i had two heart attacks i was told pack up smoking or die and i have never smoked since then and i was a very bad smoker for me i made the right choice and i would find it hard to not support the Mighty Blues what ever they did. Hi John. I'm very well, thanks.
Pleased to report that i haven't smoked for 63 years 4 months and 5 days. 
My best regards to Anne.
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Post by oldblue on Jul 15, 2019 16:03:50 GMT 1
Hello Glyn hope your keeping well no i would not have a problem with Grays having a tobacco logo on their shirt as i said you dont have to smoke or do anything eles you dont want to its a personal choice i had a choice 25 years ago when i had two heart attacks i was told pack up smoking or die and i have never smoked since then and i was a very bad smoker for me i made the right choice and i would find it hard to not support the Mighty Blues what ever they did. Hi John. I'm very well, thanks.
Pleased to report that i haven't smoked for 63 years 4 months and 5 days. My best regards to Anne.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2019 10:07:03 GMT 1
What a load of rubbish you dont have to do anything you dont want to people are such whimps today. Looks like the league do indeed have concerns.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2019 18:10:15 GMT 1
exactly where do u draw the line no one complained when beer companies sponsored cups or having mcdonalds plastered all over football why now are people finding there moral compass is snowflake the term we now use ...,,,  ? |
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Post by dcjarvis on Jul 17, 2019 9:28:36 GMT 1
Ha, this is what you end up with...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2019 9:42:53 GMT 1
The image isn't showing David, so I've taken the liberty.
For what it's worth, I hope non-league clubs don't end up down this route.
Not because of the sponsor but because Umbro don't do a shirt my size !
Must be a wind-up surely ? Clever marketing by Paddy Power if that's the case.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2019 11:17:28 GMT 1
As a father that takes his young son to Football, it doesn't bother me one bit who the league sponsor is.
It doesn't mean we are all of a sudden going to start using Bet Victor on a weekly basis.
Its my job as a parent to teach him that gambling, alcohol, and cigarettes need to be careful controlled, but can be enjoyed moderately.
We do a little 'guess the league scores' every weekend, for which we put a small wager on an someone in our house hold takes home the pot, but i'll also be sure to teach him that he can't bet what he cant afford.
In the same way it will be up to me to teach him to enjoy a beer, but don't do it every day, and the same with McDonald's etc.
Hiding these sorts of vices from kids just makes them appear exciting and rebellious, your better to educate them about them.
For me its about the League attaching itself to the name of the biggest most commonly known company it can, as that's one way of increasing awareness and fan base.
If you are going to take a look at ethics in football, you could start to question almost every advertiser as to weather they are 100% honest, for example VW, BP, RBS, Nike etc.
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Post by gazza56 on Jul 17, 2019 19:01:14 GMT 1
I really can't understand what all the fuss is about.Are we all turning into snowflakes that we have to find a problem with everything .Football is about enjoyment,does it really matter who wants to put their money into supporting our league(s) At the end of the day it's our choice if we want to support them by having a flutter .Speaking as someone who has never put a foot inside a betting shop let them sponsor us it's their money
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2019 21:55:28 GMT 1
It's all down to personal choice.
If I were buying a replica shirt, I'd only buy one without the BV decals as I don't see why they should get free advertising at my expense.
I would have no such issue with the main sponsors of the club - except maybe Paragon.
You pays your money and you takes your choice - democracy in action, as it were.
The fact that the league have stipulated that no such decals will appear on youth kit suggests they see a potential issue too, as does the amount of traffic on social media on the subject, but hey ho, such is life.
Would still love to know whether Bostik were willing to continue their sponsorship, but unlikely to find out, I guess.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2019 7:24:00 GMT 1
"Former Liverpool striker Daniel Sturridge has been banned from playing football for two weeks and fined £75,000 after being found guilty of breaching betting rules. Sturridge, 29, was given a six-week ban, four of which were suspended, and is free to play again on 31 July."
What a great ambassador this guy is - sends a brilliant message to the youth.
And - as for the FA - serving a ban during pre-season? Really ?!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2019 8:21:21 GMT 1
Isn't it the Regulatory Commission that served this punishment, not the FA?
I've read that the FA are fuming, and appealing it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2019 8:41:28 GMT 1
Isn't it the Regulatory Commission that served this punishment, not the FA? I've read that the FA are fuming, and appealing it. Quite right Ben James - my bad. Hopefully the appeal will be upheld.
Nonetheless, a poor example.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2019 9:06:07 GMT 1
It is a poor example, its hardly any punishment at all.
And, its James by the way...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2019 10:02:08 GMT 1
... And, its James by the way... Oops ! Sorry James. They say the memory's the first thing to go !  |
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